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CIA Claims Release of its History of the Bay of Pigs Debacle Would “Confuse the Public.”

April 17, 2012

Confused anti-Castro forces captured during the Bay of Pigs invasion. History is being held captive, as well.

17 April 2012 UPDATE: Fifty-one years after the failed attempt to invade Cuba, the Central Intelligence Agency and Department of Justice continue to claim that releasing the final volume of a CIA history of the debacle would “confuse the public” and should therefore remain withheld.  The National Security Archive originally requested the document in 2005.  Last year, the Archive filed a FOIA lawsuit to commemorate the 50th Anniversary of Bay of Pigs debacle.  That prompted the release of three volumes of the five volume history (one volume was already available at the Johnson Presidential Library); the CIA and DOJ have continued to fight the release of the fifth volume.  Judge Kessler, of the US District Court in Washington DC, is expected to soon rule on the case.  

In late 2011, the Central Intelligence Agency explained to Judge Kessler of the US District Court in Washington DC that releasing the final volume of its three-decade-old history of the 1961 Bay of Pigs debacle would “confuse the public,” and should be withheld because it is a “predecisional” document.    Wow.  And I thought that I had heard them all.

On the 50th anniversary of the Bay of Pigs invasion, the National Security Archive filed a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit for the release of a five-volume CIA history of the Bay of Pigs affair.  In response to the lawsuit, the CIA negotiated to release three volumes of the history — the JFK Assassination Records Review Board had already released Volume III– with limited redaction, currently available on the National Security Archive’s website.  At the time, the Director of the National Security Archive’s Cuba Documentation project, Peter Kornbluh, quipped that getting historic documents released from the CIA was “the bureaucratic equivalent of passing a kidney stone.”   He was right.  The Agency refused to release the final volume of this history, and the National Security Archive is not giving up on the fight.

Keet it secret!

Volume five of the history, written by CIA historian Jack Pfeiffer –who sued the CIA himself to release the history in 1987, and lost– is described by the CIA as an “Internal Investigation document” that “is an uncritical defense of the CIA officers who planned and executed the Bay of Pigs operation… It offers a polemic of recriminations against CIA officers who later criticized the operation and against those U.S. officials who its author, Dr. Pfeiffer, contends were responsible for the failure of that operation.”

David S. Robarge from

While Dr. Pfeiffer’s conclusions may or may not be true, FOIA case law appears to be pretty clear that Americans –who funded the operation and Dr. Pfeiffer’s histories– have the right to read this document and decide for themselves its merits.  Despite the claims of the CIA’s chief historian David Robarge, the document should not remain in the CIA vaults because its conclusions “could cause scholars, journalists, and others interested in the subject at hand to reach an erroneous or distorted view of the Agency’s role.”  Historians, after all, are well trained in treating documents –especially CIA hagiographies sources– skeptically.

To prevent the public from reading this volume, the CIA has argued that because it is a draft, it is a predecisional document and can be denied under exemption b(5) of the FOIA.  Except –as David Sobel, counsel to the National Security Archive points out in our motions— the case law states otherwise.

President Obama instructed every agency (yes, even the CIA) to “usher in a new era of open government” and apply a  “presumption of disclosure… to all decisions involving FOIA.”   In response to this instruction, the Department of Justice Office of Information Policy –responsible for enforcing FOIA throughout the government– issued its own guidance to agencies (yes, even the CIA), explaining:

“A requested record might be a draft, or a memorandum containing a recommendation.  Such records might  be properly withheld under Exemption 5, but that should not be the end of the review.  Rather, the content of that particular draft and that particular memorandum should be reviewed and a determination made as to whether the agency reasonably foresees that disclosing that particular document, given its age, content, and character, would harm an interest protected by Exemption 5.  In making these determinations, agencies should keep in mind that mere “speculative or abstract fears” are not a sufficient basis for withholding.  Instead, the agency must reasonably foresee that disclosure would cause harm…

For all records, the age of the document and the sensitivity of its content are universal factors that need to be evaluated in making a decision whether to make a discretionary release.” *

As the D.C. circuit recognized, “the Supreme Court has pointed out that the ‘expectation of the confidentiality of executive communications [] has always been limited and subject to erosion over time…”” (Judicial Watch, Inc. v. U.S. Dep’t of Justice (D.C. Cir. 2004.)

Even presidential records are barred from being withheld under “predecisional pretenses” after a period of time.  The Presidential Records Act expressly states that exemption b(5) cannot be invoked to withhold records once the president has been out of office twelve years.  If the presidential communication and work process is not threatened by this provision, there is no reason that the CIA’s history staff should be.

And there is a good chance that the history is not even a predecisonal document.  The burden rests on the CIA to point to the specific decision that the history is “decides” to make it a predecisional document.  And so far they have not.  Their case rests on the speculative and abstract fear of  “discrediting[ing] the work of the CIA History Staff in the eyes of the public or, worse, in the eyes of the Agency officers who rely upon CIA histories.”

Even if parts of the document truly are predecisional, only they can be withheld, the facts leading up to that decision –and histories are (hopefully) based primarily on facts– must be released.

To wit, draft histories have frequently been released under FOIA.  In 2010, the Department of Justice released portions of  pages of a candid history of Nazi-hunting (and Nazi-protecting) clearly marked DRAFT.   (The unredacted version of the report was subsequently leaked– no prosecution by the Obama administration for that one… yet.)  Moreover, the CIA previously disclosed Volume IV of this history in draft form (with a disclaimer)!  This final volume to the CIA’s history remains one of the few –perhaps the only– government produced product chronicling the doomed invasion which remains classified; the public should be allowed to see its contents.

"Trust us. You don't need to read it for yourselves."

The National Security Archive’s case is a strong one.  I’m confident that Judge Kessler will require a de novo review of the document leading to its eventual release.

On the other hand, the CIA’s “confuse the public” defense appears is as weak as it is insulting.


*It’s certainly not clear why DOJ attorneys would agree to argue this case for the CIA, especially after Eric Holder sent a government-wide memo which promised to defend denials of FOIA requests only when disclosures would truly harm agency interests.   What is more clear is the reason why many agencies have failed to implement the Obama FOIA reforms –the Department of Justice has done a poor job implementing them within its own divisions, and the DOJ Office of Information Policy has done a poorer job forcing other agencies to comply with the law.

As the Archive’s counsel David Sobel put it, “This case is yet the latest example of the Obama administration failing to deliver on its promise of ‘unprecedented’ transparency.  It’s hard to understand how the release of this document, after all these years, could in any way harm legitimate government interests.””

  1. February 3, 2012 8:39 pm

    Reblogged this on The Story of Liberty and commented:
    CIA Claims Release of its History of the Bay of Pigs Debacle Would “Confuse the Public.”

    • February 8, 2012 5:44 pm

      Sounds like double speak that they are afraid the sheeple would see more evidence of a criminal government.

      • robertsgt40 permalink
        April 19, 2012 1:19 pm

        Actually, the original “version” taught in “history” classes was to confuse and distract the masses. Sunlight is a great disinfectant.

  2. February 4, 2012 12:51 am

    4:4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but
    he that judgeth me is the Lord.

    4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who
    both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make
    manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have
    praise of God.

    • February 5, 2012 10:55 pm

      Why oh why do so many Americans answer criticisms with unrelated quotes from Christian scripture? All this does is to discredit Christianity in the eyes of other people.

      The CIA is a criminal organisation that is responsible for the deaths of literally millions of people around the world. There is no resemblance to the actions of the CIA with that of Christian teachings no matter how often US leaders utter biblical texts.

      I think that most people who believe in justice for the little people around the world were excited that the Cubans defeated the CIA invaders in 1961 and later, in 1975, were very happy that the people of Vietnam scored their victory over US forces in their country.

      In a visit to Cuba several years ago, my wife and I visited Playa Girón at the Bay of Pigs, where the main CIA invasion occurred.

      There were no signs and we asked the only local that we saw if this was the correct location for the Bay of Pigs. He replied that it was and directed us to the local museum when we expressed surprise that there were no signs.

      The museum showed displays of relics of the invasion. We were interested to learn that the locals had most of the invaders under control before the Cuban Army arrived!

      Despite what the CIA claims, most people are not confused about the criminal and unwarranted attack on Cuba. This is true of the other examples of where the US Military Industrial and Fundamentalist Complex has invaded other countries to plunder their resources while claiming to do it for democratic reasons.

      I notice that recently, Barack Obama spoke at the “Presidential” Prayer Breakfast about the importance of religion. People should be aware that these breakfast meetings are actually organised by The Family, an organisation founded by Abrahan Vereide, a well known Nazi sympathiser in the early 1930s. The purpose of the meetings is to provide a venue where powerful right wing politicians and industrialists can meet.

      One of the key people recruited by this means was General Mahomed Suharto, the mass murdering dictator of Indonesia who overthrew the democratically elected government of President Sukarno with the full assistance of the CIA in 1965. Amnesty International estimated that between 1/3 to a million people were butchered by the TNI (the Indonesian military). Some Indonesians I have met believe the number of victims was nearer 3 million.

      The TNI invaded West Papua (1962) and East Timor (1975). In the case of East Timor, this with the tacit approval of the US administration of Ford and Kissinger who dined with rhese men on the eve of the TNI’s full scale invasion of the country.

      In the case of West Papua, John Kennedy insisted that West Papua should be part of Indonesia even though the people of West Papua are Melanesians and not Asians. This is most probably due to the fact that Freeport wanted to establish a mine at Grassberg to
      mine the gold and copper there. This mine is the largest gold mine and the third largest copper mines in the world.

      Even today, the Freeport Copper hire the TNI to be responsible for the mine’s security. All too often, this means murdering and terrorising the local population.

      The TNI has been responsible for genocide in East Timor, West Papua and Acheh as well as crimes against humanity in some regions of Indonesia itself (eg the Maluku or Moluccan Islands).

      If Obama was truly a Christian, he would:

      * close down Guantanamo Bay prison and return the area to the Cuban people to whom
      it belongs

      * pay compensation to Cuba for the damage done by the CIA in 1961

      * begin building friendly US-Cuban relations and stopping the blockade that is hurting
      so many Cuban citizens

      * stop aiding and abetting the TNI which is still continuing its repression and genocide in
      West Papua

      * put pressure on the Indonesian government to pay full compensation to the victims of
      all the crimes of the TNI and withdraw the TNI from West Papua

      * support the UN to establish a tribunal to try all TNI war criminals

      * stop supporting the Israeli Government in its repression of the Palestinian people

      * changing US foreign policy from a belligerent one to one that promotes peace,
      and international social justice and has respect for human rights, which will obviously
      involve closing down the CIA and bringing the war criminals in its ranks to justice

      Of course, this will not happen until ordinary Americans demand that there be a true democratic process in the US that is not controlled by the big corporations and the ultra right in The Family, the Tea Party, the Moral Majority (more accurately described as the Immoral Majority), the Republicans and Democrats.

      I don’t see this happening for a long time, but until it does, please do not be surprised if many people view Bible-quoting Americans with great scepticism.

      We should remember what did Shakespeare said about some people quoting scripture?:

      “Even the devil can cite scripture for his own purposes”!

      Why are there not more Americans like the internationally respected Noam Chomsky?

      • February 8, 2012 9:30 am

        The CIA is Murder Inc. Fact Is I Agree 100% with you

      • Matt permalink
        April 19, 2012 1:50 am

        Obama loves the CIA.

      • Mark permalink
        April 19, 2012 7:01 pm

        Critical thinker 1: Cryptic, stupid sounding bible-quoting guy 0.

      • LuigiK permalink
        April 21, 2012 8:45 am

        spot on ! forward it to Obama . . . .

    • rob permalink
      April 18, 2012 12:27 am

      You are literally what is wrong with america. turning to a old outdated book for answers gets you real far ‘murica

  3. February 4, 2012 11:24 am

    The truth has always confused me. Thanks for protecting me from that.

  4. The Lone Ranger permalink
    February 4, 2012 2:17 pm

    So the cia is concerned about “confusing the public.” Besides murder, isn’t that what the cia does best? Doesn’t the cia spend 99.99% of its valuable time confusing the public? Aren’t there untold projects that were set up, funded and unleashed just for the express purpose of confusing the public? What a huge mistake Truman made when he signed off on this bunch of international mafia types.The American public has had this criminal albatross hanging around its neck since 1947. I pray for the day the cia is broken and scattered into the wind.

    • Mike permalink
      February 8, 2012 12:28 am

      Well said.

  5. February 4, 2012 5:45 pm

    If the C.I.A. is worried about something that might come out, they can forget it. There is already so much damning material known about the C.I.A. and about American foreign policy, more information could hardly make a difference.

  6. carroll price permalink
    February 4, 2012 10:34 pm

    This last volume will most likely show that the Mossad played a major (but until now unknown) role in the Bay of Pigs fiasco. With the help of AIPAC, I can’t think of any other group with sufficient political clout to prevent the CIA from releasing the material.

    • Juan permalink
      February 5, 2012 10:31 am

      So if iltheir involvement was or is unknown why would you even mention them? Why would they even be involved?

      • carroll price permalink
        February 5, 2012 3:25 pm

        Since Israel and the Mossad have been involved in practically every other act of US sponsored state terrorism, it stands to reason they were probably involved in the Bay of Pigs fiasco. They may not have played a major role but you can bet they were involved in some way. I don’t know why you would even question the possibility since Israel and the Mossad played a major role in the following events: Kennedy assassinations (JFK and Robert), Overthrow of Iran president Mossadegh, Iran-Contra Affair (served as gun runners) 9/11 false flag operation (supplied intellectual justification through PNAC, furnished security at airports and computer software plus demo teams etc), set up military invasions of Afghanistan, Iraq & Libya. Presently in process of setting up military strikes against Lebanon, Syria and Iran. These are just a few we know about.

      • April 21, 2012 10:27 pm

        There is no information on the Bay of Pigs example for your connections to Israeli intelligence cooperation, planned on 10th and K Streets in Washington DC. Kennedy’s assassination (the others) did use assassin Oswald as a patsie but for their hatred of Kennedy (two generals under IKE—maybe Beatti, source would not identify names except two generals under IKE–but all generals were under IKE, I have not been able to id the other two) were the other assassins, alleged member of an organization called the National Security Association—a “John Birch mentality”—a secret part of our government, only leagally identifiable at an Government Printing Store as needed to request as the “directory” kept under the front desk, where Nixon approved of the directory annually to be destroyed. It was a diversive group formed after WWII to prevent the rise of another Hitler or any new religion that would sway the American public out of Christianity. The directory marked its description as “secret.” Kennedy, against the NSAssociation belief not to ever negotiate with the enemy, made a secret agreement with the Soviets not to invade Cuba if the missiles were removed. This broken taboo, was too much for the two U.S. generals. The other stories are “noise.” I had no information of Jewish connections not withholding on your other listed items. Oswald was subjected to PEEPs by FBI specialist psychologists. PEEP stands for Psychologically Enriched Environment Program—an achronym used today to teach intelligence.
        There is other related high intelligence that I choose not to discuss here involving Cuba’s predecisional documental instuctions to launch against the U.S. for a U.S. response forming the Navy Seals. These 7 teams were systematically toured to clean out tunnels in Viet Nam–now the last three are not with us anymore. There are social costs to assessment of technology applications to manage national security problems. The alleged assassinantion of a president is clear by the cover-up omission to note the role of the NSAssociation and PEEPs, which in the reopening up were disclosed—except for the Seals’ role. While it is problematic if President Kennedy knew of the Seals’ role, I formed an opinion, as with Nixon, to be a complex personality, for your conclusions in such characters.

      • April 24, 2012 10:52 am

        Nixon was saint compared with Obama

    • gamma permalink
      February 5, 2012 4:51 pm

      The CIA is and was deeply infiltrated by Mossad. In fact, the name Truman says it all. In 1947, The Jewish refugees in Palestine wee just beginning to stab the British in the back and wage a terrorist war against them ( they administered Palestine at the time.) Sadly, I am syre the decision was made not to crush them as so many British lives and efforts were lost saving them from themselves in Europe in the first place in the diabolical plot to secure a homeland for themselves through sympathy in the first place (Reinhard Heydrich- from Operation Reinhard- from all perspectives was Jewish.) The CIA, given the right financial input was apparently formed to conduct subversive acts in the interest of the Jewish refuge, by the ones in America. Thus using America, and will no doubt again bite the hand that feeds it when its belly is full. Thats is (partly) why there is a need to cross and double cross the truth in a whitewash exercise

    • Michael Wahrman permalink
      April 20, 2012 10:00 am

      Oi vey ! (actually not too sure how you spell that, forgive me …)

  7. February 5, 2012 7:07 am

    Reblogged this on pastproduction.

  8. February 5, 2012 8:40 am

    Reblogged this on gregzensen.

  9. February 5, 2012 8:47 am

    “Trust us. You don’t need to read it for yourselves.”

  10. DrX permalink
    February 5, 2012 9:22 am

    Only subversive malcontents would push the issue. The CIA is keeping it secret, because events that took place at the time are still a threat to our national security. If you have a problem with that, then get the Hell out of here! Either love the U.S. of A. or leave it.

    • Tommy permalink
      February 5, 2012 12:13 pm

      Loving your country, regardless of what crimes it commits, is called fascism, you brainwashed dumbass.

      • dmhennen permalink
        February 5, 2012 3:06 pm

        exactly….the usa is made up of “sheeple”

    • J. Counelis permalink
      February 5, 2012 2:17 pm

      ..He “Dr”…THAT gets YOU the “Most IGNORANT Response on the thread” award. Congratulations! :D!!
      ..What are You?..a freind of Fascism? Your “America, Love it or leave it” attitude here = “America,..Sit down & Shut up” ..YOU might Like being a “Lo-Info” American…wandering thru a land of delusion, but MOST Americans Don’t.

    • Brian permalink
      February 5, 2012 2:21 pm

      “Subversive malcontents”?? Lol. Please explain what events could possibly have taken place 50 years ago that still may be a threat to national security (particularly regarding Cuba). It is widely known the efforts that were taken to remove Castro- espionage, assassination attempts, economic sabotage, training/funding exiles & dissident groups, on & on. You are suggesting there is some OTHER event that is just so super secret that public knowledge of it would endanger national security? Good Lord.

      Oh, & by the way, loving America is not conditional to being ignorant of the circumstances for invading foreign countries. If you think loving the USA means blindly following whatever the gov’t tells you when it goes to war, then you sir are a fool.

    • Will permalink
      February 5, 2012 2:26 pm

      ah, the old ‘love it or leave it’ comment. how many times does this have to be refuted? if you love your country but are disgusted by actions by its government, would it not behoove you to try and CHANGE things? the coward leaves. the person who truly loves his country fights for what he believes in.

      for god sake don’t use that tired, trite (and let’s face, patently idiotic) phrase.

    • Kim Johnson permalink
      February 5, 2012 4:45 pm

      @DrX …you’re damn right those events are a threat…but to whom and for what reasons?! Likely an NSA or company troll, I can smell you retards a mile away. And you can take your half-witted remarks about those who would question the cover story (like ME), and ram them up your snout (or elsewhere). The point is, exposure of these events would hasten the inevitable…i.e., the dissolution of the CIA and along with it, its penchant for enormous stolen (off-budget) funding which has helped bankrupt this nation (again). Wake up and smell the napalm, this whole stinking rotten temple is going down the tubes, in spite of your lame efforts. Your best bet would be for YOU to leave the U.S.A., we have idiots like you in our crosshairs.

    • carroll price permalink
      February 5, 2012 8:14 pm

      Dr. X,
      The great Russian dessident and intellectual Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn could have fled Russia after the Reds took over but he didn’t. He chose to stay and suffer imprisonment, and serve as a burden and embarrassment to the Bolsheviks who had taken over his beloved Russia. Unlike you, he lived and died a free man.

    • TruthMakesPeace permalink
      February 5, 2012 9:51 pm

      Tough Love is the best way to love America – and to raise a child. As we love a child who does something wrong, we point it out, to improve the child. America is still growing. The Citizens are the parents. The people gave birth to the Government, not vice versa. As parents, we are entitled to know about any mischief the child is doing. If we let a child grow up unruly, the child will hurt the parents.

      • April 21, 2012 10:30 pm

        A family is only as sick as its secrets—so too is a nation?

    • GoodAmerican permalink
      April 19, 2012 2:47 pm

      spoken like a true coward…

      • April 24, 2012 10:45 am

        sick parents do not a heatlhy child(nation) make and Amerika and its inhabitants are really sick!

    • shingibiss permalink
      April 19, 2012 10:06 pm

      I’d be delighted to leave the USA – I’m thinking Europe – any way you can help me out with a job over there, maybe some funds for getting set up?

  11. Martin permalink
    February 5, 2012 9:38 am

    “The burden rests on the CIA to point to the specific decision that the history is “decides” to make it a predecisional document.”

    No matter how many times I read this sentence I can’t make head nor tail of it.

    • Nate Jones permalink
      February 5, 2012 11:26 am

      For the judge to rule that the b(5) FOIA exemption is valid, the agency must point to a specific “decision” that the document discusses. The intended point of the exemption is so that government workers can have frank open discussions. For example, one worker might write a memo, “I think we should invade country x because of reasons x y and z.” Another might respond, “I think we should not for reasons, a b and c.” If someone requested those documents under FOIA, they *could* be withheld under the b5 predecisional exemption.

      Now, Holder said to use this exemption as little as possible (cuz it can be construed to cover lots of stuff) and I seriously doubt a history “decides” something, and the passage of time is a key decision in if b5 exemption are validly applied or not.

      I’m confident the CIA misapplied the b(5) exemption.

      Our briefs (linked to in the post) explain it in more depth.

    • April 21, 2012 11:39 pm

      A “predecisional document” may imbed technology in assets, physicals or methods for its deployment that to become “knowledge” is measured or counted in decades. Since the means and methods technologically may be deployed in other hostile environments, the intelligence for technological application is beyond the scope of understanding by the public for its ironic protection of the public (from harm by the alleged perceived enemy) that to know may disarm our security should a hostile decision be a historical accident—not therefore to be disclosed here.

      If there is a reverse of this, it may rest in our intelligence history during the cold war period on the question of balance of missiles held by the Soviets to the numbers held by Europe. The U.S. worked to place many missiles in Europe to raise our count for negotiations trade offs. Those missiles were placed, where their knowledge of placement served the Greens to object, demonstrate, and almost make it impossible for the count to shift, the missiles were sited and the U.S. could process knowledge (MAD). Our “deployed” missiles were empty, unmanned, and unarms, but counted in the overall reduction of missile counts for the Soviets to destroy theirs. Then it gets interesting.

      During this time, a suggestion (Georgetown University) that the U.S. reverse its logic pattern of costs tied to Soviet behavior, instead to advance five steps toward peace—this was new. The Soviets became perplexed as what the U.S. was doing not to be previous prior experience. The thinking (the risk of wasted effort instead paid off, as on the other hand, the Soviets play complex chess games, and in time would figure out our “peace pings” (as a way to count) were a new part of the cold war. It worked. They came forward (gamboled) on our ante with seven steps toward the peace, and we another 12—soon the conflict became managed.

      One can only guess that the U.S. and the Soviets at their highest levels, may have agreed to allow the each other special verifications: the Soviets may fly over Europian installations twice a year for verifications if to allow the U.S. to fly over the USSR twice a month to photograph Soviet’s latest research projects. This alleged shared highest level of intelligence served to maintain the peace as both sides knew what the other was doing. The expression “know but verify” was popular as we could “count” chemicals to determine remarkable intelligence from the XOX area and read photos in great detail, as well as break all the Soviet codes. This method was short lived worked maybe–for the cold war continued over Alaska. As we both side lost pilots, bodies were dumped at an AFB to crash for cover-up to “protect the public.”

      The other side of the coin to count relies upon the XYZ for counter predecisional documents in PEEPS—setting up consequences to “intolerable” choices by our perceived friends and enemies, which in those days made little difference, as foreign policy is made by the President. Reagan has his “Reagan Plan” for Middle East peace, which Israel did not follow. That brought up an assessment that Israel may have been too aggressive in their land acquisition capabilities. A cost of Israeli war planners lost in a building collapse also cost the U.S. two Col. In exactly one month Israel perfect a return cost that was so upsetting that the Grenada invasion was ordered to distract the press. Reagan was disgusted, but learned that he makes foreign policy and if it is not followed a cost may occur. Reagan presented next his “Reagan Initiative,” which ended as he presented it, “If Israel does not follow the Reagan Initiative, and there will be no consequences for Israel.”

      Predecisional documents may not be as inclusive to be predecisional as opportunistic to changed dynamics. For example, during the Cuba missile crisis, we did not have the technology for a bullet to hit a bullet. However, physics grad students in the mid-west, linked 3 360 IBM computer together to calculate that a satellite could hit a satellite, lets say on the 3909 revolution. Taken to the Pentagon, a test launch was approved, and it took out a Soviet working satellite. Then the Soviets started to move their missiles on rails against agreements. The best they could do was to launch a satellite that explodes its shaft to hit our working satellite. The president was presented the Soviets photos as violations of the treaty, and the president called for all generals to come to WDC for his briefing on the beginning of Star Wars. It was a Republican dream; clearly our perceived enemy communism approached a contest where the U.S. won technologically.

      The same thing happened in pre-Iraq (pre-911) intelligence. As noted in Carter’s book, the White House Diaries, where he talks about U.S. ability as a “2.5 war capability” he notes that our national agenda target is China—the last bastion of communism.
      The predecisioal document set the target date for 2014-17 but with the removal of Rumsfeld, the target date was delayed some 6 years. Here another document heads the minds of the highest in control that the war to end all wars found in the Bible would be perfected. Rumsfeld, for example, at the filming of the Pentagon during 911, handed the stretcher to another soldies. Seeing the sun shining brightly, he turned to the sun, raised his arms high to the sky and smiles as the filming showed the Pentagon smoking in the background—but that was not why he was removed, which remains oral history.

      General Schwarzkopf in interview why he dropped more bombs in Iraq (really a weapon transfer for new weapons of higher technology) than were dropped in all of the Korean War, responded as too why, “I am an Irish Catholic and I like pain.” This other factor outside a predecisional document” make governmental accountability complicated for the public to comprehend in complexity but clearly interesting. His joking may hold more truth about decision making, but you get the point of policy and undoing policy to fund arms that are relics.

  12. February 5, 2012 10:50 am

    you can’t foll all the people all the time, the reason why the Yankees hate Cubans the Bay of Pigs was a lifetime embarassment for the lousy empire Viva Fidel Viva!!!

  13. ribeekah permalink
    February 5, 2012 12:04 pm

    WOW! Events that took place decades ago, the American public does not have a right to know what was committed in its name? Why? Because the public lacks the ability to read and understand? Is that an admission by the CIA that the American public has accepted their obvious fiction for so many years that to hear a different narrative now would be confusing. The CIA is telling on itself.

    • Michael Wahrman permalink
      April 20, 2012 9:58 am

      No, that isnt what they are saying at all. It may be that it is as bad as you say, but what they are saying is a different thing. What they are saying is that they do not like releasing draft documents that never went to a final form, particularly from their historical department. It is (I am guessing, admittedly) a bit like saying that this report was not peer reviewed. Putting this in the context of reports at the RAND Corporation where I worked long ago, this report never went through or perhaps could not successfully go through the review process that would turn it into a final, official, report. Now in this case, that may be because the report was the unexpurgated point of view of a group inside the CIA and therefore had controversial views. That may make it more interesting in the eyes of some readers, but it may also require a little sensitivity in reading, a sensitivity that is clearly lacking in the comments to this post, for example. I hope they do release it, it sounds like it will be a lot of fun to read, even if it is misunderstood by 98% of the readers, a reasonable expectation.

      • April 20, 2012 3:48 pm

        Michael, please! You say, “they do not like releasing draft documents that never went to a final form, particularly from their historical department. It is (I am guessing, admittedly)”. Yes, you are guessing, which is not helpful here. Check your facts before posting. It is normal for draft documents to be released and this is essential to a functioning democracy and to the accurate recording of history.

      • Michael Wahrman permalink
        April 21, 2012 3:37 pm

        I am unable to reply to Mr Bach for some technical reason, so I will reply to my own post… I am not guessing, I am repeating what they say. In spite of the rudeness of these comments, I think I will just keep on commenting in the hope that some reasonable people are reading. I hope the CIA does release the document, should be fun.

  14. Franchesca Aviva permalink
    February 5, 2012 2:47 pm

    Laughing at this entire situation right now. People are too predictable.

  15. Rain permalink
    February 5, 2012 2:48 pm

    CIA = BS.

    peace out

  16. Reggie Roning permalink
    February 5, 2012 5:04 pm

    Could this be going on in Syria right now?…

  17. newoaktown permalink
    February 5, 2012 6:39 pm

    It would harm CIA/US/POTUS because… they haven’t effected regime change in Cuba yet. (Not to mention one third of Latin America.)

    That’s probably the whole reason right there.

  18. February 6, 2012 6:42 pm

    Reminds me of Gen. Westmoreland’s famous comment: “Vietnam was the first war ever fought without censorship. Without censorship, things can get terribly confused in the public mind.”

    • carroll price permalink
      February 7, 2012 11:03 am

      Well, the US certainly learned a few valuable leasons from Vietnam because every war since then has been heavily censored, even to the point of deliberately executing jouranlist, as shown by the famous Wiki-leaks gunship assassination of journalist on the ground in Badgdad. And the US also learned to go into a never ending war with an all-volunteer army for the purpose of preventing wide-spread mutiny among conscript troops as occured in Vietnam War, and is what actually brought that war to an end. If not for mutiny among the troops, the war in Vietnam would probably be going on today. I mean, why else would the US abandon a perfectly good and profitable war of conquest?

  19. February 8, 2012 1:03 am

    It doesn’t matter if our employees think the document would confuse their bosses. We own it and can have it any time we want. We’ve waited patiently for fifty years to see what our money is being spent on. National Security concerns were our only reason for waiting, and now they are not an issue. So, release our documents or the CIA will no longer be our employees (which means we will no longer finance your operations). Don’t forget who you work for, and who can stop signing your paycheck any time you become more trouble than you are worth.

    • Michael Wahrman permalink
      April 20, 2012 9:50 am

      This post is technically untrue on a number of its points. In other words, we (the American People, I guess) do not have the rights to any government document or the right to see it whenever we want, in fact that is the whole point of the FOIA as an instrument to try to address *some* but certainly not all of these issues in a way that Mr Barton would like. Now, it would be interesting but unlikely if we did have that right, but the only way to get it is to get Congress and presumably the judiciary and the presidential branches to support legislation to allow it. So, just to make you understand, Mr. Barton, you do not have that right as you describe it above. Maybe you should have that right, but as it stands now you do not. At least to the best of my knowledge.

  20. February 8, 2012 9:34 am

    No wonder our Government is BROKE … they allow these Butt Clowns and Trowser Puppets to use lawyers and money for Horse Manure Like This. The American People Should Wake Up … CIA is a Farce … Think About It … That Phony Cut and Paste of the fake Barry Soentoro Birth Cretificate ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Try Making $100 bills That Way …. Wake Up America The US Government Is a MAFIA …. Hello what 60 or 70 100 TRILLION in Debt Com’mon People WAKE UP

  21. February 8, 2012 1:48 pm

    Thanks for a good article, Nate, and for accurate but selected comments from Andrew. He didn’t mention the full list of what are politely known as interventions, but should be known as violations of sovereignty and acts of genocide. For this William Blum’s ‘Killing Hope’ and John Prados’ ‘Safe for Democracy’ are good starting places. Prados has a pretty good chronology of the whole Bay of Pigs, Playa Girón and Playa Larga adventure. There is no doubt at all that the whole thing was planned and executed in the CIA’s offices and decisions to go ahead came directly from the Oval Office. The cases Andrew mentioned did not include Laos where 1/3 of the population of 3 million were killed, another 1/3 fled and the CIA, its allies and the USAF turned the country to rubble with the heaviest bombing in history to that point. Laos was a low technology peasant society. The CIA started in 1952-54 pretending to be anthropologists studying the spiritual practices of the Hmong people. It ended in 1975 with the CIA ordered to leave by the new Pathet Lao government. The Lao PDR now uses the CIA’s HQ, ‘Six-clix-city’ as their Ministry of Defence. One document the CIA did not want us to see for 60 years described Laos as “a diminutive jungle kingdom” which nevertheless the USA ‘owned’ and did not want to ‘lose’. The arrogance is breathtaking.

    Citizens of the USA should have seen all these documents 60 years ago at a time when they may have been able to prevent their government squandering their tax money and murdering millions of people who could never possibly have been a threat to the hyper-power USA. But even with what disinformation the US public has been spoon-fed over the years, there is still enough information there for an intelligent and informed electorate to demand that the criminal organisation known as the internationally loathed CIA should be closed down. Citizens of the rest of the world are also sick of hearing the endless discussion about which US Presidents were ‘good’. None meet that standard. The record clearly shows that JF Kennedy (for example) spent most of his days in meetings and making decisions about which nations to attack with terrorist acts and which heads of state were to be murdered. Kennedy alone had a hand in a number of plots to murder Fidel Castro and his directions led to the murder of Patrice Lumumba, the democratically elected Prime Minister of the Congo.

    It is more accurate to call US Presidents Commanders-in-Chief since most of their working days are spent making wars and overthrowing governments. Barack Obama is no exception to this. He is waging war in a number of countries that we know of like Afghanistan and Iraq, and others we know little of, including Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan, and wars we have not yet heard full disclosure of such as Libya and Syria (together with allies) and 19 African countries, where US Special Forces are waging wars we never hear about (with some of the most unsavoury allies on this planet). He is also pushing for more militarisation in East Asia and Central America as well as a full-scale assault on Iran. Andrew listed other unconscionable acts by Obama, which include assassinations with drones, and we now know this included intentional killings of first-responders and mourners at funerals.

    Nate correctly says that the main business of the CIA is that of disinformation and covering-up its crimes (which it co-owns with a string of Commanders-in-Chief) and that the organisation does all it can to confuse the US and world publics. It has a special psy ops department to spin the message. The CIA has owned TV, radio and newspaper companies which it uses to distort the facts. It can also be stated that since many of the CIA’s sordid operations have been carried out in nations that are no threat to the USA (like Nicaragua and Laos). The use of the term National Security is entirely inappropriate and intentionally misleading. I would suggest that national security should refer to one’s own government and should be trumped at all times by the term human security which the UN uses to describe as peoples’ rights to clean drinking water, shelter and freedom from fear.
    Love it or leave it? Well, a large number (I don’t have) are voting with their feet – for various reasons.

  22. February 10, 2012 6:42 pm

    CIA = Corporate Mafia.

  23. mary permalink
    February 28, 2012 11:39 am

    Assuming none of you work for the cia, going off cultural stereotypes and conspiracy beliefs does not equal a fair judgement of an institution far complicated and intricate than you can imagine and one whose workings you will never see in full nor understand.
    People hate the government because they don’t understand how it works, that all the red tape and bureaucracy and inefficiency is a by-product of having a fair democracy that isn’t corrupt and opaque. nothing’s perfect. I hear americans, mostly the young and uneducated, complain all the time about their government. As a russian immigrant, this is ridiculous to me, because the political system here is one of the most equitable in the world.
    You think YOUR government’s been bad? Most of my family, from both parents’ sides, have been murdered for political reasons over the last 50 years. But because the government wants to keep watch over potential terrorists( as if they’re interested in spying on some white nerdy teen play Starcraft in his boxers) to keep you guys from BLOWING UP, you complain about your “loss of rights” and how the CIA are monitoring your computer and phone usage without impudence…Cause you know, they have the millions of employees, buildings, and equipment necessary to carry out this surveillance and keep it all a hush from our bloodhound media. Cause you know, they give a flying turd about Suburban Sam’s angsty teenage facebook posts and what it means for national security. Do people even think anymore when they come up with conspiracy theories?

    • anonymous permalink
      April 19, 2012 6:40 pm

      we don’t hate it for what we don’t understand, we understand it and are upset because we know it well.

  24. emre permalink
    April 17, 2012 4:39 pm

    That’s really cute, Mary. Well I come from the Middle East, where the government DOES give a flying turd about Suburban Sam’s angsty teenage facebook posts. In fact, they send Sam to jail and block Facebook altogether. If you don’t want that to happen here, don’t cede power to government.

    • Michael Wahrman permalink
      April 20, 2012 9:43 am

      Try not to be ad hominem. Mary’s comment is very interesting and yours, frankly is not very interesting. So dont attack people using obscenities in a polite discussion. Have a nice day.

      • Luigi Kleinsasser permalink
        October 5, 2012 7:14 pm

        who are you?  I’ve not made any comment about the Bay of Pigs and certainly not using oscentiies!   Luigi

      • Luigi Kleinsasser permalink
        October 5, 2012 7:20 pm

        If you happen to be referring to my responses to other people’s comments on the Bay of Pigs article, none of which were obscene, I think you owe me an apology!


  25. Vincent permalink
    April 17, 2012 8:25 pm

    IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH! Believe in Ingsoc!

  26. LuigiK permalink
    April 19, 2012 9:52 pm

    after more than 50 years the CIA still can’t rearrange history to evade criticism of a royal screw-up; it’s still a “draft”? Good God, whoever started the draft is probably dead or at least retired so, just like Jewish history it can be rewritten to save the agency’s ass but unlke Jewish history nobody has gotten around to doing it. By the time it’s done, nobody who was alive at the time and remembers what happened, will be alive to contest the story which will be hailed as a success. It might become the latest book in the bible and faith will hold sway.

  27. Michael Wahrman permalink
    April 20, 2012 9:40 am

    Of course the CIA has a point here, since most of the documents they release are indeed completely misinterpreted by the public. But that is just too bad. In this case its an interesting point which possibly even needs a judicial review, what is the status of draft documents in the context of the FOIA ? I think its a good question. I do hope they release the document however, and I hope that those who are looking for evidence condemning the CIA realize that this document may not provide it, indeed exactly the reverse. It seems to be a slam of the CIA’s critics and thus the darlings of the anti-CIA crowd. Be careful what you ask for as you may get it and be really sorry. — MW

    • April 20, 2012 3:26 pm

      Luigi and Michael, the CIA has no point here – none at all. Most of the facts of the aborted invasion of Cuba and their numerous terrorist attacks and assassination attempts on the Cuban leaders is well documented and known. The action was consistent with numerous interventions in violation of other nations’ sovereignty that they carried out are also well documented. This might be confusing to the US public, but it is not confusing to anyone in the rest of the world who were fortunate enough to miss the diabolically distorted US history taught in US schools.

      The documents should have been released immediately by WikiLeaks at the time, if that organisation had been around in 1959. US taxpayers could have saved a lot of money and shame. At the very least, a genuine democracy would have released all the documents 20-30 years later. Only an organisation so dedicated to the destruction of democracy as the CIA is would be arguing this pathetic line of ‘confusing the public’.

      Frankly, as a historian trying to find the truth of this period of history, I find it insulting that the CIA is still trying to prevent all the details from emerging. A point here for Luigi: historians are entitled to be interested in draft documents because they show the way in which decisions were taken, the progress of those arguments through the final decision process and the names of the advisers and decision-makers. The public paid these peoples’ salaries and they paid the proxy armies and paid for their equipment – and then they paid again for the disgraceful cover-up.

      No doubt Michael is prepared to forego a decent education and health-care system as well as other fruits that come with a genuine democracy in a wealthy country. His label of “darlings of the anti-CIA crowd” for people who have the temerity to criticise the CIA is a sad indictment of an uncritical education for which others around the world will pay dearly.

      Citizens of the rest of the world are unamused by the CIA’s continued criminal activities outside the USA. Nor is the USA the only anti-democratic nation with which to disagree. Just read this: ‘Britain destroyed records of colonial crimes’, Review finds thousands of papers detailing shameful acts were culled, while others were kept secret illegally

      So, get real. Read Prados at least.

      • Michael Wahrman permalink
        April 21, 2012 3:34 pm

        Dear Mr. Bach,
        Actually, no, I am not “prepared to forego a decent education and health-care system”, I am in favor of both, whatever that means (its a little vague dont you think). Your jumping to conclusions. It is unrealistic to expect the CIA to release all the documents 60 years ago, it is not unrealistic for us to expect them to release it now, kicking and screaming a bit.

      • April 21, 2012 5:58 pm

        Michael, not just being rude, but I had the impression that you support what the CIA is doing with your tax dollars. Your comment about “the darlings of the anti-CIA crowd” was the bit that got me. That money is squandered on fruitless criminal actions in which many citizens of the rest of the world, many of whom are innocent, have been/are being killed.

        These actions portray the USA as a lawless rogue state; not the Leader of the Free World some would like to imagine. Covert mischief is made in lieu of being applied to investments in social well being and education. Hence my comment that you seem “prepared to forego a decent education and health-care system” would appear accurate. You could use your vote to prevent this CIA activity. I don’t have a vote in the USA, so I ask you to vote wisely.

  28. April 20, 2012 3:41 pm

    I must say despite all different opinions within the subject, I very happy & proud to see us all coming together as people to address this manners. At one point i thought we as people were not paying attention to anything that these mobsters were doing. Very proud of us all, God bless everyone.

  29. tom permalink
    February 10, 2014 11:06 am

    Regarding your Bay of Pigs assessment, I would add that the invasion plans were drafted in Washington DC “at 10th and K Street”—back then. I met Mr. Sphinx in 1982 at as a hotel host directing the front door. We discussed his role noting the above address.
    I recognized him in WDC in Fall of 2010 to say “Hello,” but then again, it was early morning as he was entering a coffee shop and seemed tied up with another gentleman—not to talk. I was with my wife at the time, as we were running late to get to meetings.

    Regarding the Kennedy Assassination of interest to meet a Pentagon aid of that era, who seems very nervous and jumpy, but had the right answers to my question in my later investigation being at City Center in Columbus, Ohio, to continue a dialogue with this gentleman. He stated being at the Pentagon, being an aid to a general, and knowing their role in the Kennedy Assination. I asked for the names of the two generals who were “the other assassins” in the knowls. He would not release their names. All he would confirms was that they are easy to find as “who hates Kennedy.” General Beatie may be one.

  30. May 3, 2015 12:02 am

    I agree that the ops and places the money was being spent needs to come to light. Black budget has it’s areas, but there is a time and a place to release the information and not hide behind foolish and bad excuses like “it’s been ‘lost’ and we can’t find it”.



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